We’re almost live!
Sound the alarms Sunil!
Thank you!
Tomo
Thank you Tomo George and Sammi. Great show tonight.
-lean on the frets and relax
-wide strum
-don’t worry about timing
-don’t lean on strings to early , sustain,
Play carefully
-thumb position
One thing wanted to make sure I understand - why in R 3 7 do we want to practice a wide strum again? Glad to know to do this but am not sure why I’m doing it.
I thought the cautionary tale about not improving because just jamming and entertaining is an important one.
I hope your few Berkeley students can turn it around!
Our pleasure Jeff!! Thank you so much!
Great review! Thank you!
R 3 7 Swing = Always wide strumming!
This way you really need to hold your pick lighter and once you can do this importamt technique then you can strum smaller very easy!
Most people… prefer to jam with YouTube backingtracks… most of them are not great…. so if someone can play over that… means “Not listening” No conversation.
Tomo
Good Wisdom = "YouTube backing tracks means 'not listening, no conversation'.
Man - I practiced today trying to do lightest touch possible. It wrecked everything! Which is great! So much to work on.
Thank you Linda. Most backing tracks on YouTube is one way... Better to imagine (free!)
Tomo
Thank you Clay! Good job! That's what I do everyday with Chromatic scale & R 3 7 swing groove. So I can play music smoothly. This is one of reasons that I don't play songs when I am very busy. But I can hear songs in my head all the times where I can cook music with my imagination.
Tomo
So - I was just watching an old livestream from April on ‘how to transcribe music’ and something became very apparent to me that I wanted to share but it’s kind of a long story…
In the livestream Tomo is imploring us to JUST LISTEN to the song you want to transcribe and DON’T TOUCH A THING. He keeps stating there is no specific amount of time to listen but just KEEP LISTENING. He says to just feel the music and dance with it and move our bodies to it.
I really want to transcribe one of my favorite Kenny Burrell songs ‘Mule’ off of the Midnight Blue record. After watching the livestream I started listening to the song and immediately my mind was trying to imagine how to play it on guitar. The urge to pick up my guitar and start trying to work it out was almost irresistible.
And then it occurred to me…that this is the reason my playing often lacks ‘feel’ to me. It is because my pesky mind takes over and says ’I can figure out how to play this’ and in fact it CAN figure out the right notes to play (the same as Kenny Burrell played) BUT it can’t figure out how to really get the same ‘feeling’ into the music that Kenny plays with.
And then I get frustrated with my playing and tell everyone that I’m a terrible guitar player and my guitar playing has no feel.
So in an effort to stop this behavior pattern I’m going to attempt to listen to Mule a few times a day and just let the song wash over me and not pick up my guitar. I don’t know when I will attempt to start transcribing the song but I DON’T want to fall into my usual trap of slowing the recording down to 0.25% on YouTube and painstakingly figuring out every note and in turn completely losing the feel of the song. (Which is what I love about it anyway).
I guess I’ll try to repost on this thread again after some time to see if I have any realizations about the song from listening and dancing to it BEFORE I pick up my guitar to try and transcribe it.
Well thanks for listening to me ramble.
(I hope this post makes some sense.)
I love long rambling stories maaan!
I think you are on to something Richard,
this makes a lot if sense to me man.
Listening and feeling is key.
lol- thanks Sunil!
Cool refresh and insights Rich - please do post how it goes.
Thank you Rich for sharing your experience on "How to transcribe music” Like most people that trying to mimic the original playing part so fast that focusing on "What To Play" instead of "How to play that feel” So even you find what to play…. deciding too fast where to play. One phrase can have 4-5 different strings/fingerings. This part is super fun imagining and a lot of reward to find “the one” right position from your intense listening. That’s why “Listeing” deeply is the most important part becoming a great musician. So please take your time! I am very happy to hear your new discovery and George, Sammi and I are so happy to hear this so much! So glad to hear that. This is real Guitar Wisdom and our livestream effort and effect.
Tomo
Rich, do not use slow down divice. Be patient! Listen more and don't play guitar too much! You need to internalize music to your body and soul first so you need to be a great listener first.
Listen more music and less playing guitar. Guitar playing part.. you need to focus on more foundation. When I am busy... I don't play any songs. I only practice my foundation parts.
Tomo
Hey Jeff, this is an amazing thread!!
Synopsis of the last year of live threads, awesome!!
Just got through the first page!
(sounding the alarm Jeff!
hahaha ...I have a "hilarious" story about being near the california academy of science on a tuesday afternoon before Dec 2019 and hearing this alarm for the first time in my life...Kavya was three...thought it was the end of times...I was pretty calm about it 😅
)
Civil Defense sirens actually do save lives. Once, the sirens were the first thing we heard before we dove into the basement moments before a tornado demolished the building I was working in. A giant brink chimney landed on my workstation. So, I think the sirens are a bargain.
Whoa! That was close.
Glad you made it Linda!
I just want them to settle on a solution that does that for as many people as possible.
Also not suggesting the alarms are frivolous. They save lives. But, the confusion they can (like in the Maui fire) contribute to many preventable deaths,
it seems.
I was legitimately frighted above, meant 'hilarious' as sarcasm. It didn't translate well, I apologize. What you went through sounds legitimately frightening as well.
I wonder if I would have just stood there dumbfounded by the siren, if I were in your place.
No worries, Sunil. Indeed we were somewhat dumbfounded. A couple guys ran into our store yelling "Funnel cloud right over your building!" Naturally we all ran to the parking lot, and said "Yep, that thing is headed our way!". Got to the basement just in time. Had to push away wreckage to climb back out. Today when I hear the civil defense sirens, I always feel like I did that day.
Apologies for getting off-topic. Just something that came up.
I didn't want this to get lost in the replies, so I am adding this comment in response to Rich's revelation. I believe it will be helpful for everyone to hear.
First, Rich, you should be proud of your playing. We can be our toughest critics, but you are breaking cycles by approaching your transcribing process differently; that’s just one example of the meaningful work you're doing to improve. The recordings you share definitely bring us joy. Be proud of yourself!
Now, for everyone, in Tomo's book GUITAR WISDOM, there’s a chapter dedicated to listening called "Listen Like a Musician." The section "Imagine Songs in Detail" begins the process of deep listening. Practicing without your guitar is crucial for leaving space for your imagination. You probably can sing a part of the music you hear before you can play it.
I think of Tomo's idea of becoming familiar with things as if they were friends. Maybe that specific song is a friend you're getting to know more deeply over time. After a while, you can predict what they might say next based on your history with them. In a way, you're building a relationship with the music and learning its language. However, if you copy note for note, it's like copying someone's writing word for word; you lose track of what is being said, and it's not truly coming from you.
Great insight, Sammi.
Thank you Sammi ❤️
I haven’t looked ahead in the book so I didn’t even realize there was that chapter.
I’ve only gotten to chapter four and have been working on hitting my knees and accentuating different beats.
I’m going to jump ahead and read the chapter on listening like a musician.
This place is amazing!
Thank you Sammi for sharing Rich's insight and his efforts! You are a great teacher yourself! I am so proud of you!
Tomo
Love this place guys. Love the love, also guitar haha. Im sitting at a park looking at trees.
I was going to say the same as Rich!
Adding, it's very helpful when you guys --Sammi, George, Tomo, are coming together to point out the golden notes.
Thank you.
Linda is always first with the golden notes though, imho. :)
Thanks so much Sunil! Same! I love this place so much!
Tomo
Any requests for livestream topics??
Maybe…
How to go from playing learned phrases to actually improvising?
That's not a bad suggestion, Richard.
Thanks Linda 😊
I like that idea too. And if a part of that could be some specific "how to's" on using triad knowledge to build solos / melodies over chords, that would be awesome.
Thank you Rich for sharing your request. One suggestion in general for transcribing solo.
1) Learn chord progressions on that song first.
2) When you transcribe a solo / phrasing. Do not decide positions too fast. Keep it open for other positions.
3) For improvisation, work on Blues (simple 145 blues) first.
4) For jazz improvisation, work on Jazz Blues first.
You can apply these ideas now.
Tomo
How can we as the guitarist make life better for our bass and drum player? When playing with other musicians what are tips to keep in mind to be a better team mate / band mate. Thanks
Thank you Jeff for your comment. A few ideas for that case.
1) Understand that style of music really well.
2) "Listen" each others deeply.,,,this part is the most important!!
3) Play with rhythm section. Not play over rhythm section.
4) Make more space while you are playing something simple.
Tomo
This would be a cool live stream topic too, Jeff. A non-expert addition to Tomo's list:
One of the things we've found when we're making songs in our jam sessions - not for the drummer, but for bass and keys - is to stay out of each other's octave. We'll work out a song that sounds OK, but we can't hear individual playing that well. So we'll spend some time shifting guitar / bass / keys up or down an octave or two so that we are playing in different ranges. That also lets us use individual dynamics better because we're not all fighting for volume.
But what if you guys play triads instead of fighting for the same note (or octave range)?
meant what if each of you play one note each from a triad.
Thank you Clay! I am looking forward to next GW Livestrewam. I have many ideas and choices.
For jam sessions - You don't know what bass player's habit of bassline or piano player's habits so first I don't play anything and listen!
So listening is very important. Don't worry about octave range too much. I don't think that much. I think about overall arrangement and harmony as a band. So I recommend to have a few choices with other player's performance. I have prepared ideas from my live performance experiences. I can demo those sometimes.
1) Listen and do not play anything. Especially someone's solo (beginning) More space is great.
2) 3rd and 7th comping
3) V- and VI- triads
4) 6ths (following bassline) and 3rds fills too.
Tomo