Any advice for me on how to fix these two problems?
- I am hitting other strings when I play the C/D triads
- At the end of the second C triad, my left index finger is only over the triad so I can't keep strumming without hitting other strings
Any advice for me on how to fix these two problems?
- I am hitting other strings when I play the C/D triads
- At the end of the second C triad, my left index finger is only over the triad so I can't keep strumming without hitting other strings
Hi Andy,
I am having similar issues while working on the R 3 7 swing video. I guess part of the secret lies in how "flat" our fingers are on the strings (or parallel to the fretboard). The level of touch is very subtle too, to avoid harmonics. I don't know how to describe it and I'm having trouble too!
If you are only referring to the transition. (IIRC) In R 3 7 video, Tomo mentioned readying the next chord shape (and place it "on mute position" (my words)) and do the mute strumming - being an option.
Hope to see other insights too!
Hugo
Thank you Hugo for sharing your view here. Yes! It is very subtle and you can not describe exactly about this part.
Basic idea is to play C triad with your first finger so you can use your 2nd & 3rd fingers plus pinky to mute other strings.
When you play D triad with your 3rd finger so you can use your 1st & 2nd fingers. So you need to use two fingers (or more) to avoid harmonics. (two fingers will not produce harmonics)
Tomo
Yes, Tomo! How come I didn't think of it. Two or more points of contact will eliminate harmonics - physics - so dumb of me haha! I'll try to put this into different chords + muting patterns in R 3 7.
Definitely have to play it slow in the beginning!
Hugo
Thank you Andy for sharing A-7 groove. And C and D triads.
1) Basic muting technique for A-7. Very good but you are pressing 10 times hard than I am playing!
That’s a lot of pressure! In order to do this pressure part well…. you alreday know the answer? Yes! Practice chromatic scale and R 3 7 Swing Groove like you are eating dinner or brushing teeth! Do it everyday!
2) Playing, muting around 234 set strings. C and D triads. Basically you can focus on hitting those strings plus 1st string and slighly you can hit 5th string but you are not hiting 6th string. Mostly hitting 432 set strings.
3) How mute other strings? When you end with your first finger (For C triad) You need to use other fingers to touch other strings. I can make a short video on this part later. You are doing so good!
Tomo
Thank you — yes, I already know the answer — R37!
One difference between the R37 exercise and this A-7 is the barre. I noticed when I play the barre not all the notes are sounding. That is one reason I pressed harder. I will see if I can change the way I am barring so I can get all the strings to ring without pressing.
I think I understand about point #3, so if you are busy please don't feel like you have to make a video. But if you have time, I would love to see it!
On the barre chords, I can share a bit. It might have two relevant points on why it's harder for us to sound all notes:
1. Every hand and finger is different. E.g. I am very (very) slim (and god blessed me that I didn't have to do hand labor in my life yet), so my fingers are very "boney". So, when I barre a chord, there are "gaps" in between the three sections of my finger - I bet it's the same reason that why you pressed harder. There are actually a few "cheats" to make it work without pressing harder:
a. slightly rotate the index finger to the left when barring. That part of our hand is "flatter".
b. use our RIGHT elbow to push the guitar to the human body to counteract the force (essentially, we are pushing the neck to our fretting fingers). This is a great approach used by many people.
c. "Vertically", we can align our index finger a bit higher or lower in our "usual" position. You will discover some or more notes ring much better without any additional forces.
2. It's just "time", because I believe calluses will slowly develop over time and its thickness and "evenness" with other section of our index finger will eventually make things easier. The key is just to keep playing BUT in moderation. I heard that for the general public, the F barre chord takes a year or more to play - so, there's definitely too rushed to aim for a few months of continuous practice and we will get everything clean. (Needless to say my F barre chord isn't that stable too, but I kind of cracked with the cheats above.)
[Post-addition: Besides, I had this feeling to push really hard when I can't ring some of the notes; but when I processed it, I found that, normally, it's just too brief that any player will hold onto a chord - meaning that if we squeeze the neck hoping some notes will ring, it's actually not realistic. The better way maybe is just to press and play (at the same time if possible); release our fretting hand completely (or even from the neck); and do it again. In some ways, it also simulates real-world playing (as there ought to be some single note, previous chords, or at the very least it is the first chord of the whole song, right?).]
Hope it provides some angles. I understand that it may not be exactly solving your particular Q. Enjoy!
Hugo
My pleasure Andy! Thank you for making your video and your question.
I still practice R 3 7 and I never think I already mastered anything. I can play things very smooth but I am a human so if I don’t pay attention or if I don’t preapre and review things then my playing will stuck in same place. Then I have to spend more time on Reverb and Sweetwater!
I made this video for you. Please let me know what you think.
Tomo
Thanks much Tomo for the details. Exactly applicable on my journey of R 3 7 groove. I'll see if releasing the thumb method will help - almost forgot that.
Hugo
I feel like it's my birthday and I just got a great present. Thank you, Tomo. I will practice this. I really like your idea to practice the triads like the swing groove, playing each one alone muted and unmuted. I will also practice lighter picking. I will send another video in a week or two.
I was just going to post that I never see you playing telecasters. Nice one!
Please check Michael 's Rhythmic Guitar Styles " thread.
https://tomovhxtv.vhx.tv/forums/general/78093-rhythmic-guitar-styles
Tomo
Hi Tomo, I watched your second Funk foundations video, and it was awesome, though I am really struggling with muting and playing that bass line I think the concept you have from Just funky, C#>D on 5th string, and then the 1 to 4 finger hammer on. I'm just really finding it troublesome to try to mute and play the notes on the upstrokes, like it's so awkward. Do you have any advice to improve this?
Thank you Chris for checking out that funk foudation video. R 3 7 chord and bassline. That bassline, I use my 1st finger and 4th finger a lot. So this way, you can use 2nd & 3rd fingers to mute other strings. It's very difficult to control left hand muting. That's why you need to practice R 3 7 Swing Groove with super slow tempo for working on your left hand muting technique. Another note.. "Awkward" That's why you need to practice 1212 3212 3432 1234... 4343 2343 2123 4321 chromatic scale EVERYDAY like you are brushing your teeth! Build your strong foundation with those techniques. That's why when people play "licks, patterns" right away... will not work.
Tomo
Yes Tomo! I am now doing R37 and 1212 daily everyday. I will keep working and also I started on the Funk Foundation first video basic pattern Down Up Down Up $xx$ | xx$x | x$xx | $$xx too to just begin to get that working too. These are all part of my daily regimen now.
Good job Chris! I just practice those two items this morning. Good job on funk strumming! Fantastic!
Tomo
Andy - this is a great video. Thank you for sharing! Your questions are so clear, and your breakdown of the issues makes it easy to follow. Now everyone has Tomo's advice and tips on muting C and D triads, so thank you for asking.
If you don't mind me asking, what equipment do you use for your videos? The lighting and quality always look so good lol I think I need to take notes.
Glad to hear this thread was helpful to others, Sammi. It's definitely been helpful for me, too. I have been applying Tomo's advice of using the swing groove approach (slowly alternating playing and muting) not only to C/D triads, but also to other muting challenges, such as various parts of "Catwalk," which Clay recently posted about. Slow progress, but I think I am seeing/hearing it.
Thanks also for your compliment on my video quality. I lead classes and meetings for my work, so when most of that went remote during Covid I invested in my video setup. The main pieces are:
Fujifilm X-T4 camera with Viltrox 23mm lens — Zoom / Meet are getting good at simulating "boke" but real lenses are still better. Only problem is autofocus tends to focus on faces, so my fretboard is sometimes blurry!
Elgato HD60S+ — For getting the camera video into Mac/PC
Neewer NL660S lights — two, mounted on poles above my desk
FWIW you look very clear on the livestreams too!
This is fantastic Andy. No wonder! You have a professional camera!
Good reference if I ever have to shoot covers/songs in the far future.
Hugo
Yes, though I think you could get similar results with a cheaper camera, as long as it has a decent lens. So many more options have become available since I made this setup.
Thank you Andy for sharing your studio! So clean and fantastic! Very impressive!
Thanks again for this thread about muting triads and glad to hear that Clay's post really helping you! So happy to hear that effect!
Tomo
As promised, here's a video on my progress with Am7 funk strumming with C/D triads. I am still practicing this slowly and still making many mistakes, but noticing some improvement. Some things I've been working on:
- Pressure: I am still pressing too hard but maybe less than before. This is a hard one for me!
- Play/"Scratch" every 16th: There are some places where it might be better to not scratch and just leave it as a rest, but I'm trying to make it so I either play or scratch every 16th. That way I will know that the muting is in place.
- Keep it slow until I can play it without mistakes
Nice work Andy! Way to keep that right hand going.
That triad fill is challenging for sure. Sounds good. The practice in Tomo's video at 5:10 seems great. I tried to slowly, repeatedly play the triad part as in the original, searching for a position (vertical, fret adjacency & angle) that works best. Fast and wideish pick sweep seems to help to grasp the feel, even if the actual tempo is slower. Keep going!
Thank you Andy for sharing this video!
Good job using less pressure. I think your strumming technique got better with more relaxed left hand and your strumming hand is doing well with wide strumming.
Only thing you need to focus is not stop this groove so you need to slow down so that you can play this groove (chord and triads all together) Maybe you need to figure out that rhythm around those triads,
Thanks so much for making this video. It is very valuable.
Tomo
Yes — maybe the hardest part for me is getting back to the Am7 fingering in time! I will work on it.
Thank you Andy! Great job! Keep working! I made this video for you.
Tomo